Saskatchewan Coyote Control Program-Gov't funded

[Bearhunter]

LINK
http://www.agriculture.gov.sk.ca/Coyote-Control


Saskatchewan Coyote Control Program

On Tuesday, November 10, 2009, Agriculture Minister Bob Bjornerud announced the Saskatchewan Coyote Control Program, a pilot project aimed at reducing coyote predation on Saskatchewan's agricultural land.

Under the program, the provincial government will pay hunters a bounty of $20 per coyote killed. To qualify for this bounty, hunters will have to present evidence to local municipalities to verify the kill, and then submit a declaration to the Ministry of Agriculture in order to receive compensation.

In addition to funding for the Coyote Control Program, the government has a number of measures in place to aid in predation efforts:

•Recent changes to the Environment Farm Plan Program under Growing Forward to allow goat/sheep producers to access 50 per cent funding (up to $10,000) for fencing to protect their livestock from predators. For more information, please visit http://saskpcab.com/environmental-farm-plan.
•The Ministry of Environment has expanded the training program for Conservation Officers so that they can utilize Compound 1080, a poison used in predation efforts.
•The Ministry of Environment offers a guard dog program, where producers can access funding for 50 per cent of the cost for a guardian dog (to a maximum of $100).
Coyote Control Program - Application Form and Grant Guidelines
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Questions and Answers

1.Why is the Ministry implementing this program?
The Ministry has heard loud and clear from livestock producers across this province that they need more help in managing coyotes preying on their livestock.

2.Who is eligible for a grant?
Any resident of Saskatchewan that is legally able to hunt is eligible for this grant. There is a cap of $50,000 for any individual under the program.

3.What is the role of hunters/trappers or any individual participating in this program?
Hunters/trappers and any individual participating in this program are asked to respect a number of things:

Public safety - this is imperative. Hunting from vehicles including snowmobiles and ATVs is strictly prohibited.

Landowner rights. The onus is on the hunter to get permission to hunt.

Reserve status - non-First Nation individuals need to get permission from the Band to hunt or trap on reserve land.

No hunting zones such as provincial parks and registered trapping blocks - please stay away from these areas.

4.Do hunters/trappers require a license?
No license is required to hunt coyotes in Saskatchewan.

5.What is the role of rural municipalities?
RMs are helping us to administer the program. They will play a role in verifying the number of coyotes taken under this program. We will use their verification to make payment to individuals.

6.How will the Ministry verify animals eligible for the grant?
Hunters/trappers will need to bring in all four paws from a coyote taken under this program. RMs will designate a representative to count paws. Paws will then be spray-painted red and disposed of properly to ensure payment is not made twice on the same animal.

7.Why are the paws of the animals required and not the tails?
Removing the tail would destroy any market value of the pelt. Removal of the paws will allow for verification of animals without restricting any additional market value.

8.How does the application process work?
Hunters, trappers, farmers and ranchers are encouraged to remove problem coyotes from areas where predation is damaging livestock operations.

Applicants must present all four paws from the coyote to an RM representative for verification.

The RM representative will mark and retain the paws provided for verification until final disposal.

The applicant and RM representative then complete the appropriate sections of the application form prior to submission.
9.Do I have to submit the paws for verification or can I submit the whole coyote?
To minimize the disposal requirements for RMs, applicants are asked to remove and submit only the four paws for verification.

10.Do I have to submit an application each time I provide paws to the RM representative for verification?
An application does not have to be submitted each time paws are submitted to the RM representative for verification. Additional verifications can be included on the same application form as long as the verifications are performed by the same RM.

A separate application form must be completed for each RM conducting the verification.

11.Do the verifications have to be conducted in the same RM as the animals are removed?
No, animals can be verified at any RM.

12.Where can I get an application?
Application forms are available from rural municipality offices;
Ministry of Agriculture Regional Offices;
On the Ministry of Agriculture website: http://www.agriculture.gov.sk.ca/;
Contact the Agriculture Knowledge Centre at 1-866-457-2377; or
Call toll-free: 1-877-874-5365

13.What documentation must be submitted with the application?
All parts of the application MUST be completed (including the Applicant Declaration in part four and sections of part three and part five that are to be filled out by the RM representative) in order to process your application.
14.What is the deadline to submit my application in order to be eligible for a payment?
All verifications must be completed by RM representatives by April 2, 2010 to be eligible.

Applications must be postmarked by April 15, 2010.
15.Can I submit more than one application?
Yes, but all applications must be postmarked by April 15, 2010.

16.How often will payments be issued?
Payments on grants totaling $200 or more will be processed at the end of each month until March 31, 2010.

Grants below this amount will be processed after December 31, 2009 for applications received to this date and after March 31, 2010 for applications received after December 31, 2009.

17. Where do I send the completed application forms?
Financial Programs Branch
Saskatchewan Ministry of Agriculture
Room 329-3085 Albert Street
Regina, Saskatchewan
S4S 0B1

18.Do application forms have to be mailed or can they be faxed?
Original signatures are required to process applications, so faxed application forms will not be accepted.

19.Is the Ministry concerned that coyotes will be over-hunted?
No. The Ministry has discussed this program with the Ministry of Environment, and they have no population concerns with this approach. Coyote populations are high, and while the program hopes to be successful in reducing the predation problem, it will not put undue stress on overall populations.

20.What if someone is found to be non-compliant with the program?
No payments will be made under the program to any individual deemed be in non-compliance with the program. Routine audits will be performed to ensure compliance.

21.What is the government's role in training additional personnel to use Compound 1080?
Only trained personnel can use this product. Some Conservation Officers are trained to use this product and others will receive the training as necessary.

22.What other measures are available to people needing help with predation?
In addition to funding for the Coyote Control Program, the government has a number of measures in place:

We have made recent changes to the Environment Farm Plan Program under Growing Forward to allow goat/sheep producers to access 50 per cent funding (up to $10,000) for fencing to protect their livestock from predators.

We are working with the Ministry of Environment to expand the training program for Conservation Officers so that they can utilize Compound 1080.

The Ministry of Environment offers a guard dog program, where producers can access funding for 50 per cent of the cost for a guardian dog (to a maximum of $100).

[Bearhunter]

Here is the application form:
link
http://www.agriculture.gov.sk.ca/Default.aspx?DN=b5bc78e8-75e9-400b-84a1-75ab3d5f353f

[Buckfeverphoto]

This may be good to get coyotes under control but I could see it causing a gong show out there this winter.

[rustler24]

About time our government realized there is a problem. It will be a bit of a rodeo with the paw counting thing, but it is better than nothing. The $100 will just about cover the food bill for one month for my yard dogs. They cost $1500 but they keep the coyotes out of the yard so anything is a help. I like this program it is a good start.

[PAPA BEAR]

May increase my anuall income;)

It is about time.

Oh PETA is going to go ape over this.

[chrisg]

It's good, hopefully I will get some refund on gas :)

Last year AB started similar project on wildboars. I believe it was 50$ per one boar! SK should do the same before we have problems with wildboars!

Daroof we have problems with wild boars already!!! Take a look at my trail cam pics!!! There everywhere but hard to hunt because they are very nocturnal

[GreenMachine]

Nothing like putting some money on the table to get things going. Just might have to start getiing serious about killing coyotes! Should be fun!:D

[tracker]

interesting, thanks for posting!

[jkeficat]

thats great news....last year i ended up throwing away my coyotes that i trapped...offered them free to one other trapper down the road...did not even want them, for what they were worth, it was not worth skinning them....atleast there will be an incentive to thin them out...all we need next is wolf bounty accross the province..:thumbs_up

[SaskBuck]

:thumbs_up :thumbs_up :thumbs_up

[PAPA BEAR]

Is anyone here on this forum who is from Saskatchewan Wildlife Federation or some trapping organisation?
Because of the bounty on coyotes many people will hunt them to get 20$ and so many furs will be wasted. I think it would be great to have someone or some organisation who will collect unneeded hides. Then the money can go to some wildlife funds! Maybe we can spend that money on some educational programs or even to buy some land for the animals. :thumbs_up

Good Idea, just Emailed Darryl Crabb

[.35 Whelen]

I was told that the R.M's have a choice to collect or not.

[Reginaoutdoorsman]

this is awesome for a few bucks for gas but it's going to be rediculous seeing a coyote body lying on the side of the road with no feet.. theres plenty of DA's out there who will do it.

[SONGDOG.]

Whoo.... I'm goin out tomorrow...

[fish hunter]

Good idea but I have my doubts this will work.You may thin the yotes for a year but they will come back even stonger by doing this.The coyote is the only animal in north america that still has it's oringinal home range.They have tried doing this before with little to no success.Coyotes are one of the few animals that breed acroding to their own population #'s and food availability in the area.I have a friend that shoots about 100-150 yotes every year in about a 10 mile radius and each year it seems as though there are even more.Now try doing that with the deer and you'll see how fast they disapear.

[One Stab]

I might quit teaching and straight live off of shooting coyotes

[Harley64]

I truly believe fish hunter is right, you will never thin them out. They are amazingly adaptable. Guys have tried with snowmobiles in the past, and did take hundreds out of the area, next year just as many coyotes if not more:confused:

[bails88]

Ok, so to clear it up for us dummies that don't want to read the whole post, all we need to do is keep all 4 paws and then take them to the RM? Is there anyone in the Weyburn area that will want the rest of the salvagable hides? What is the form that I need?

[Buckfeverphoto]

Is there anybody else out there that thinks this will be a total gong show and only piss off landowners and the general public even more. You thought giving away free deer tags brought out slob hunters just wait until you see what this will do. There will be more than a bunch of guys chasing every living coyote they can find down on snowmobiles or chasing them across guys fields in their trucks. The more I think about this the worse an idea I think it is. I would sooner see them hire professionals to handle coyotes in problem areas than to have every Tom, **** and Harry with a rifle going nuts and shooting up the country side. We saw enough of that with the CWD and this won't be any better.

[remmyltr]

^^^^^
i am thinking like wise and it was not well thought out by the government.
this wont go down well with landowners,with the irresponsible hunters
causing more damage.

i dont see anywhere that you have to be a sask resident either.
this is a worry also.

i think its time i full filled my deer tags and got back in the safety
of my own home.

[R2D2]

Is there anybody else out there that thinks this will be a total gong show and only piss off landowners and the general public even more. You thought giving away free deer tags brought out slob hunters just wait until you see what this will do. There will be more than a bunch of guys chasing every living coyote they can find down on snowmobiles or chasing them across guys fields in their trucks. The more I think about this the worse an idea I think it is. I would sooner see them hire professionals to handle coyotes in problem areas than to have every Tom, **** and Harry with a rifle going nuts and shooting up the country side. We saw enough of that with the CWD and this won't be any better.

Well said Cam.

[Harley64]

Cam, I think you are exactly right on this! And the guys that are tearing up fields & fences just to kill a coyote are the same ones that will take a mule deer or whitetail buck while they are at it. I see no good coming out of this, Hiring a few individuals per RM to "try" to control coyotes might be the better choice, I know that the farmers/ranchers that have granted me permission to hunt on there land will not tolerate what might come with this type of bounty. They will shut it down if it gets out of hand,

[dogcollar]

this has got to be the dumbest idea I have ever heard of.

Knee-Jerk reactions without consultation and this is what you get.

After the complaining on the news and the rare occurance of coyotes killing someone out east this is what you get. This will get the greens after us legal hunters too, currently most the guys who do it follow the rules, use approved traps and make use of the hides this will lead to abuse of our resources.

I will not be putting signs up this year where my traps are. I normally do this to warn other hunters I am trapping in the area to protect them and their dogs, but I feel this will now advertise for slob hunters to take my coyotes out of my traps, take my traps and shoot coyotes on my bait.

My landowners know I am out there and if the other guys would have asked permission they would know of the traps but if they don't ask permission they can enter at their own risk.

There is nothing wrong with the bounty but the implementation is terrible, require fur license including having to take the proper fur handling course. Designate approved hunters by the RM's. I am a designated beaver control and coyote control for my RM already and this will push me right out of the business and take the legal guys out.

[JrlSask]

Is there anybody else out there that thinks this will be a total gong show and only piss off landowners and the general public even more. You thought giving away free deer tags brought out slob hunters just wait until you see what this will do. There will be more than a bunch of guys chasing every living coyote they can find down on snowmobiles or chasing them across guys fields in their trucks. The more I think about this the worse an idea I think it is. I would sooner see them hire professionals to handle coyotes in problem areas than to have every Tom, **** and Harry with a rifle going nuts and shooting up the country side. We saw enough of that with the CWD and this won't be any better.

I agree. I also think with amount of money they are talking about dishing out. Why not hire 10 or 15 professionals to take care of the high problem areas. My uncle traps around 500 every fall (mostly leg hold trapping but some snaring once the snow gets too deep) I'm sure that if guys like him were offered a nice juicy wage for the year that they would do it full time. Let me tell you, this would clean up the problem areas alot more successfully!

[truckin_moose]

I have some friends that trap coyotes and shoot them every year. They do quality work on their pelts. Spend alot of time and take pride in what they do. And sometimes they will take coyotes that people have shot, but they will cringe at this new bounty.
Even with out a bounty people have pulled into their yard when they are not home and dumped off 20 or 30 coyotes, all blood stained and holes the size of softballs in them. Fur all frost burnt from being frozen to the cold steel truck box.
They might pick through them, but man, its more hassle then its worth. All they end up with is about 500 pounds of frozen garbage to get rid of. The shooters of course will have taken the feet and ended up with more money then they will after they skinned, stretched and sold the mess the shooters brought to them.
We are not likely going to change this bounty, but just a note to all coyote shooters that plan on giving the coyotes away to a trapper. Use a solid jacket bullet, take care of the pelt, dont pile them like cord wood in a metal truck box. Lay them on a burlap bag or at least plywood, and try not to let too much blood get on the fur.
Also, the most important part of the hide is the back from the neck down. HEad shots would be best with a full metal jacket or low in the chest.
Thank you from all the trappers/skinners out there.
(smile) :p

[possum]

DAM !! I passed up 140 bucks today from prince albert to home.

[COYOTE]

I am glad to here that I can get $20 per yote, they are my favorite animal to hunt! I don't think in there will be many more hunters blasting yotes in this area! Have you guys already forgot that we used to get a heck of a lot more than $20 for a yote and we didn't have a ton of guys hunting them, gas was also cheaper then!

[smokechecker]

Is there anybody else out there that thinks this will be a total gong show and only piss off landowners and the general public even more. You thought giving away free deer tags brought out slob hunters just wait until you see what this will do. There will be more than a bunch of guys chasing every living coyote they can find down on snowmobiles or chasing them across guys fields in their trucks. The more I think about this the worse an idea I think it is. I would sooner see them hire professionals to handle coyotes in problem areas than to have every Tom, **** and Harry with a rifle going nuts and shooting up the country side. We saw enough of that with the CWD and this won't be any better.
I couldn't agree with you more.:thumbs_up

[Buckfeverphoto]

I am glad to here that I can get $20 per yote, they are my favorite animal to hunt! I don't think in there will be many more hunters blasting yotes in this area! Have you guys already forgot that we used to get a heck of a lot more than $20 for a yote and we didn't have a ton of guys hunting them, gas was also cheaper then!

Guys now won't need a fur license, they don't have to even pick the coyotes up. Doesn't even matter what condition the fur is in. Just lop off the feet and leave them lay where they drop. Pretty easy to run down a dozen or more coyotes in a day on a sled and not have to take the carcass to get paid. It wouldn't be hard for a guy to make a couple hundred bucks in a day and only have a small bag full of feet to carry. It won't bring out many more ethical hunters but it will bring out slobs looking for a quick easy dollar. Like was stated above. Take the money that will be dished out on this and hire some pros to take care of the problem areas. They will have much better success at taking out problem animals than your average joe out with his 30-06.

[smokechecker]

Guys now won't need a fur license, they don't have to even pick the coyotes up. Doesn't even matter what condition the fur is in. Just lop off the feet and leave them lay where they drop. Pretty easy to run down a dozen or more coyotes in a day on a sled and not have to take the carcass to get paid. It wouldn't be hard for a guy to make a couple hundred bucks in a day and only have a small bag full of feet to carry. It won't bring out many more ethical hunters but it will bring out slobs looking for a quick easy dollar. Like was stated above. Take the money that will be dished out on this and hire some pros to take care of the problem areas. They will have much better success at taking out problem animals than your average joe out with his 30-06.
Reminds me of a story my dad told when I was younger, how there was a bounty on gophers but all you had to provide as proof was the tail. He said most of the kids would catch them and swing them around by the tail until it came off then would take that in for their bounty without killing any gophers...

This Gov. sponsored coyote control program is brought to you by the letters
W, T, & F!!

[f7nightfire]

whats wrong with havin some fun and controlling the overpopulation who cares if a guy may make a buck . its not like u can retire on it and make a living !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:thumbs_up

[dogcollar]

whats wrong with havin some fun and controlling the overpopulation who cares if a guy may make a buck . its not like u can retire on it and make a living !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:thumbs_up

Crazy enough some of us take pride in what we do, make a few bucks taking proper care of our fur. You seem to have missed most of the point on this one. Hey it's your opinion to shoot everything in the name of fun, but just think if we came to where you worked everyday and trashed your truck/office what ever applies to you, you might get a little upset.

[f7nightfire]

oh well thats my just my opinion its obvious that the government sees a problem here .

[wil_wil2]

I will be shooting some coyotes this winter, but I will not be seeking compensation to do so, I benefit from lower coyote numbers just as much as the farmers. I say if you want to make some money off of coyotes buy a fur license., otherwise do your part to protect the deer populations.

[Quiggly]

Man what a hot topic!!!! this is just my opinion but here it goes. it doesn't sound like any one here has ever woke up one morning and been $200,$ 400, $600, ... LIGHTER in the pocket due to some coyotes:o all im saying is i know what its like to loose livestock and i hunt the bast#$@! every year also!!! so congrats to those who are ethical hunters as it will put some $$$$ in your pocket and to those who think they will get rich over night (if they realy go hard) the CO'S will be a watchin

[spikebuck]

quiggly got it right boys we have a problem here. for the guys that trap snare shoot or however to make money on furs if u were doin your job there wouldnt be this problem. i have a papered lab retriever that almost has to sleep in the house because of yotes comin in my yard. my neighbour lost a horse because of 7 yotes chased it down and ate it.ya maybe the gov. didnt think it out right but atleast for once they are doin somethin. just my 2 cents now i am goin to shoot some yotes because i no my neighbours wont bitch about it

[PAPA BEAR]

I talked with a farmer last night just south of Avonlea here, I told him about the bounty, all he said was good and when can i start.

The land owners around here like deer a bit, they want then thined but not extinct, but the coyotes, they hate and want them gone.

Just remember all the hunting regs still apply, gong show or not, this may be the only way to help ranchers out a bit and recover some gas money, I don't think you will see many more average Jo's out hunting dogs.... Hell most of them don't have time to take a day off to go hunting with thier kids....

If U don't agree with it don't participate, I am making a tour this morning to a farmer place that is having trouble.

I am not sure if fur buyers will buy these dogs> Does any one know of any buyers in Saskatchewan any more?

[greatwest82]

I hope its not like a few years ago with the beaver bounty. We fought and fought with our RM and never did see any money out of them. Good thing the beavers were worth something then. The thing was they asked us to shoot them then when it came to pay up time it was a different story.:angry:

[PAPA BEAR]

I hope its not like a few years ago with the beaver bounty. We fought and fought with our RM and never did see any money out of them. Good thing the beavers were worth something then. The thing was they asked us to shoot them then when it came to pay up time it was a different story.:angry:

This isn't the Rm that is paying, but don't expect the cheque in the mail a week after you turn the feet in, expect close to 6 months to be paid.

[Bearhunter]

Have you guys already forgot that we used to get a heck of a lot more than $20 for a yote and we didn't have a ton of guys hunting them, gas was also cheaper then!


True dat............lots of MOD peeps think that new oppurtunities turn into gong shows. Well you can't control anything other than what your hunting party does. Gong show hunters are just that no matter the species or season. Ski-doors might be hitting the odd fenceline and rockpile.

So many hunters on this forum don't go south of #1 and understand the problem many ranchers are having, not to mention what the mangey buggers do to our upland and deer population. I truly believe that this program might encourage hunters to jump in their trucks and making a weekend out of pounding dogs in areas like-Lake Alma,Willowbunch, Rockglen, Mankota, Val Marie, Climax etc....tip-I bet in many of these areas they have never been called.

The other day in zone 1, I saw 8 yotes in one morning....bird hunting I see 6/day at least. I think they are thriving in Southern SK, and they sure aren't eating all the gophers:confused:. Hell I have had coyotes on my deer bait the last 2 nights sitting-Never had that before.

I will admit I am to lazy and to lethargic in the winter to call dogs, or drive around and slob em. For fun I do the odd day, but not really. For a coyote derby I in there like swimwear, but for 20 bucks I think I will get off my keister and subsidize my time/fuel to head to out.

Why can't coyote pelts be fleshed, tanned and held on to? Everyone is always like, aw they aren't worth anything. Farmers keep grain in the bin, oil co's keep oil in the ground, SK potash doesn't get mined etc...until the price is right or they have to sell. My cousin custom skins and fleshes and when the prices are no good...he holds them.

If I knew a good local furrier I swear to god I would make and wear a pimptastic coyote coat.:ghetto:

[.35 Whelen]

This isn't the Rm that is paying, but don't expect the cheque in the mail a week after you turn the feet in, expect close to 6 months to be paid.

This is the truth:thumbs_up

[Buckfeverphoto]

-I bet in many of these areas they have never been called.



You would be surprised how many people are out calling. I see the problems the coyotes cause, my family owns cattle and live in an area where the coyotes are thick. Not all landowners believe an all out free for all is a good thing. They believe something needs to be done but telling every yahoo that they can get an easy $20 by chasing down and shooting coyotes is not a very professional or responsible way to control the problem.

[R&B OUTFITTERS]

It will be a gong show all right. They should have put a little more thought into this problem before throwing this on the table, i am not sure what the answer is but this is not it imo......

[spikebuck]

hey buck fever photo dont wanna start a war with ya buts wats your ideas of how to take care of the population. its just an incentive for guys to go shoot a few and get there gas money back. you dont think the slobs came out in the 70 and 80 when the hides were worth a 100 bucks or better. and back then a 100 bucks was alot of money

[204saskman]

I hope its not like a few years ago with the beaver bounty. We fought and fought with our RM and never did see any money out of them. Good thing the beavers were worth something then. The thing was they asked us to shoot them then when it came to pay up time it was a different story.:angry:

Beavers are still worth money. 5 bucks at our place. 10 in the next rm and 15 about 60km away from me. I also herd down south by kipling they are paying 20 cause there is to many of them.

now as for dogs, there is just to many around. I went for a drive this morning and we seen probably 15 dogs in under a 20km radius, and that was only by the road. Thats not including all of the them furthur out in the field. I help my neighbours out a fair bit farming and working cattle and such, and i remember last winter we were shooting 3+ per day and they just came back thicker the next day. I think its a good thing and a bad thing cause some people are gonna screw this up for us.

[Buckfeverphoto]

hey buck fever photo dont wanna start a war with ya buts wats your ideas of how to take care of the population. its just an incentive for guys to go shoot a few and get there gas money back. you dont think the slobs came out in the 70 and 80 when the hides were worth a 100 bucks or better. and back then a 100 bucks was alot of money

The slobs were out in the 70's and 80's, do you want that back again? It has said on here a couple times where the money could be better spent if you read the whole post.

[Quiggly]

hello where were all of you guys 2 years ago before the recession??? we were getting $20 for a whole coyote didn't even need to cut any paws off!!! it aint going to be any worse than any other time , the unethical hunters are always out there no matter what THEY JUST DONT CARE

[PAPA BEAR]

The slobs were out in the 70's and 80's, do you want that back again? It has said on here a couple times where the money could be better spent if you read the whole post.

I guess I am a slob.....Cause thats is when I hunted them hard, I was getting as high a $200.00 for some....So the 20 bucks isn't going to make me do stupid things like reck a 20,000 dollar truck or get caught for chasing them, for 20 bucks I will just have some good old fashion fun. and some target practice.

[Buckfeverphoto]

I guess I am a slob.....Cause thats is when I hunted them hard, I was getting as high a $200.00 for some....So the 20 bucks isn't going to make me do stupid things like reck a 20,000 dollar truck or get caught for chasing them, for 20 bucks I will just have some good old fashion fun. and some target practice.


Did you run them down with snowmobiles? I didn't say everybody who hunted them then were slobs but there were many a coyote run over with snowmobiles back then.

[dogcollar]

Need a better definition for slob hunter I guess.

My definition: hunter who does not care whose land they are on, or how they kill the animal whether chasing them with a vehicle or shooting them with a 300 to see how big of a hole they can make.

[truckin_moose]

So for a northern boy, it sounds like the problem is more in the south? So thats one thing learned. Somebody mentioned south of the #1?
We have alot of coyotes here (p.a) too, and I don't really care about the bounty, I just hope people are careful. Have fun and be safe. Try to take care of the pelt if you are giving it away to a trapper.
Two things bugging me that I have to say.
1. I have never in my life seen a coyote or a group of coyotes bother a horse or cow unless it had two feet in the grave already. Even then they seem to just hang around waiting for it to die. I have seen ravens and magpies start in on an animal before a coyote will. Sheep would be a definite problem. But cattle and horses??
I bet you take the 20-30 other ranchers I know and we might have trouble coming up with more then one or two coyote/cattle or horse stories.
The coyotes I have seen in the summer/fall are eating berries, crab apples, even oats and I'm sure some small game. In the winter and spring whatever they can get, but mainly scavengers eating already dead things, and of course rabbit and grouse etc... But as far as full grown deer, beef calves more then a day old stuff like this?? Not to sure about that. At least not up here.
Are we sure that some farmers or acerage owners are not seeing wolves and calling them coyotes. Or maybe not seeing anything at all, finding a dead animal and blaming coyotes.

2. (northern zones) Why are people down on coyotes but alot of them seem to be wolf huggers. They like to see the wolves and seem to have a love affair with them. Some sort of majestic or elusive creature they dont want to kill. As far as I'm concerned the wolves are three times the predator that a coyote is. I have never seen coyotes do what wolves do on a regular basis.
I had read somewhere that a cougar consumes 40-50 mule deer per year in cypress hills. Roughly. If this is true, then a wolf must do at least half of that. Times 3-15 wolves in a pack depending. Thats a pile of deer/moose/elk or even cattle per year in certain areas.
I think people blame coyotes because they see them. Thats just my experience. I will be shooting them if I see them. BUt up here, I will have trouble believing they are causing much of a problem.

[djhunter]

i have been reading this thread from the start and wow over 20 dollar bounty,how did snowmobiles get drag in it anyway,why are they getting a bad name on this coyote hunting for 20 bucks when there wheeling around 10 grand worth of machinery,hit a stone pile or a drainage ditch where does this pay,and it is illegal to do so.
what is the percentage of saskatchewan that has enough snow to ride a snowmobile to run then down anyway .....not very much

up at my farm my neighbour caught a coyote on his deck trying to kill and eat his new puppy that he just got,next day it can back and he shot it,my other neighbour lost 2 or 3 dog also to coyote's,we had a fresh snow at the farm halloween night and when i got up the next day to put the tractor away there coyote track every where threw the yard to me that is too many so a little thinning of the population is a good thing!!!

[COYOTE]

Down here they go after what they want and not just the weak animals. When I was swathing I found what was left of a 110 buck in the middle of the field, it looked like the coyotes were waiting in the crop and ambushed this deer on a trail that they used to get to a lentil field or they just chased him up this trail until they caught him. There was a lot of crop nocked down where the deer was.
My son also shot a coyote that was trying to get at his dog's pups!

[PAPA BEAR]

Did you run them down with snowmobiles? I didn't say everybody who hunted them then were slobs but there were many a coyote run over with snowmobiles back then.

No, But i used sled to get to them, never owned a sled that would go fasrter than a dog.

I am not going to say I followed the book back then either. Not like I do now.

In our area in the 70's and 80's there wasn't many dog hunters. Most of us were locals.

We didn't us calls. Our tacktic was knowing the hot spots, in coulees, and stop at the top ambush them. I remember going out just about daily, in those years ( was laid off of work during the winter) my cousin and I would average 2 aday. Some times getting 4, some times none. We did all our oun skinning and stetching. Prices where good, but by the time the gas bill was paid, there wasn't much to play with. but it was fun and gave us something to do.

I know the type of guys U are talking about, they are still around, and there kids are doing it. I have told them what would happen if they get caught, it seemed to slow them down a bit. The cattlemen around here want them gone. extinct to put it in thier words. and don't care how it is done. I have been asked to come out a night and sit in the feed lots..... They don't care how we get rid of them ,they want them gone. And some guys go to higher levels than others. They will get caught. eventually.

I told these kids, that it is the public that is watching as much as anyone. They didn't like the $ amount of the fine that has been handed out...

At one point or another we do stuff we shouldn't. And there isn't may guys on here that hasn't broken the law a bit to get that trophy buck, shoot a coyote, whatever. we all will stretch the law a bit.

[spikebuck]

say wat u want boys the 20 bucks will hopefully atleast make me enough money for a new gun... or maybe even better a new sled.. then well be in business.. look out retirement here i come.

[Buckfeverphoto]

This will be my last comment on this post. The people who can't see the possible problems this will cause more than likely have not lived in a CWD zone and seen first hand what these government free for alls can do. If you had to put up with the shit that was going on then, you may be a little more leary now. They were not even waving easy money in peoples faces with that gong show. Many landowners and the general public now have very bad perceptions of hunters becuase of what went on in these zones. This is not going to help.

[PAPA BEAR]

This will be my last comment on this post. The people who can't see the possible problems this will cause more than likely have not lived in a CWD zone and seen first hand what these government free for alls can do. If you had to put up with the shit that was going on then, you may be a little more leary now. They were not even waving easy money in peoples faces with that gong show. Many landowners and the general public now have very bad perceptions of hunters becuase of what went on in these zones. This is not going to help.

Cam, I can not say U are wrong in any way.....There will be idiots out there, and when U or I see them lets take note and report them..... That is our only way of stopping the idiots.

They are there, they always have been, and they always will be.. The guys that don't give a rats a$$ will all be caught in the end.... it just takes time. Lets hope for the best that comes out of this, and help the cattlemen out a bit.........

[buck1979]

Now try doing that with the deer and you'll see how fast they disapear.

I think we are already seeing that now on the heels of CWD hunts and 4 deer zones in some areas.....

[f7nightfire]

its obvious none of u are land owners and do not know what the coyotes and wolves are doing to horses cattle human pets and even us. there was a thread a while back on walking out in the dark and sounded like alot of hunters are worried in the dark!!! if people have problems with this maybe they should voice there opinions to the government i think the government is right on this one this time. they were a little late though on starting the bounty

[Bearhunter]

I am quitting my job and going on POGEY for the first time in my life.

At the bar, chicks always ask "What do you do for a living"...now I can say "I am a Professonal Coyote Hunter/Ice fisherman, let me buy you gals a drink."

[dogcollar]

its obvious none of u are land owners and do not know what the coyotes and wolves are doing to horses cattle human pets and even us. there was a thread a while back on walking out in the dark and sounded like alot of hunters are worried in the dark!!! if people have problems with this maybe they should voice there opinions to the government i think the government is right on this one this time. they were a little late though on starting the bounty


Its obvious you just want every coyote killed. I spend everyday dealing with farmers/ranchers, and not one thinks we should kill every coyote in the area.

There are more coyotes now. Why are there more coyotes? My answer is there are more coyotes because there is more food and sheltered area to live in. There is plenty of food everyone know that. There are also alot more areas that can not be hunted and trapped due to and increasing population and increasing use of land for acreages. Trappers must inform every resident within 1 mile of their traps. In some areas around major centers that would mean asking 5 or more land owners for permission to trap and if 1 of them says no you can not trap there legally.

The season dates are fine because fur will be at the best possible. remember the uproar from Alberta killing the deer population with no thought to making good use of the animal. With the 4 month time frame here we have the best chance of making use of the animal. I hope all the hunters have some respect for the game they are killing and make the best attempt possible to use the animal. If you don't want to take the time to skin it, store it properly and give it to someone who will or sell it to a fur buyer.

[truckin_moose]

HEAR HEAR:thumbs_up
I still don't know about the cattle/horse thing.

[Purifyer]

I am not going anywhere without my 22-250 again, Im going to do my part...moreso to help out the deer herds a bit

[Bearhunter]

:clap: Good one, I will use this line in Saskatoon :shade:

Chad, I am a Professional Bounty Hunter, let me buy you gals a drink. might sound even better :teeth:

I am-The Dog Bounty Hunter.

http://bp3.blogger.com/_Bu3vCCi4STU/SIrI-9EsmlI/AAAAAAAAAMs/iVM_QpETCXk/s400/dog+the+bounty+hunter.jpg

[f7nightfire]

when the calves are born the coyotes are standing close by and steal the calf from the cow. seen it and also alot get sick and lay down and coyotes get them too. on my family farm of abot 450 head of cattle so i think its a concern. also yesterday me and spike buck were out and seen 3 horses and 1 coyote bitting at there feet go figure oh maybe i'm just stupid, not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BILLY BLASTOFF]

You would be surprised how many people are out calling. I see the problems the coyotes cause, my family owns cattle and live in an area where the coyotes are thick. Not all landowners believe an all out free for all is a good thing. They believe something needs to be done but telling every yahoo that they can get an easy $20 by chasing down and shooting coyotes is not a very professional or responsible way to control the problem.

Hey Cam, I hear what you're saying and agree, but the thing is guys could always make around $20 selling frozen coyotes to local skinners regardless of how they were taken. I know there will always be guys on sleds chasin them, but I like the idea of gettin my fuel money back from calling them all winter and recovering a little from the one or two calves we lose at home every year. The government is doing their best to ruin the deer populations and if the coyotes don't get thinned quick they'll eat a lot of the few deer that are left...In my area anyway! I just don't believe there are enough professional hunter/trappers in the province to reduce numbers when every pup from a litter of 5-8 lives for the last couple years. Just my thoughts...Bill

[BILLY BLASTOFF]

By the way Cam, thanks for giving your 2 cents on some topics even if it isn't the most popular. Guys need to have the "stones" to voice what they think of these new programs. My area is taking a CWD beating but no where has gotten flogged worse than your area and I understand everyone down there developing a "flinch" towards any gov't initiated hunting programs !!!

[dogcollar]

when the calves are born the coyotes are standing close by and steal the calf from the cow. seen it and also alot get sick and lay down and coyotes get them too. on my family farm of abot 450 head of cattle so i think its a concern. also yesterday me and spike buck were out and seen 3 horses and 1 coyote bitting at there feet go figure oh maybe i'm just stupid, not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ok here is a question for you then.

How long have you been feeding the population of coyotes on your property. Giving them a taste for cattle, teaching them to teach their young when to come and take calves. My guess, it is very normal for a couple of head a year to die naturally. Those cattle are dumped in a pit/rockpile/bluff off in the back 40. Did you ever think ranchers who have big problems with coyotes just might be creating their own problem. I have have to agree with your last statement though. I have highlighted it above in the quote for you.

[truckin_moose]

[QUOTE=dogcollar;121836]Ok here is a question for you then.

How long have you been feeding the population of coyotes on your property. Giving them a taste for cattle, teaching them to teach their young when to come and take calves. My guess, it is very normal for a couple of head a year to die naturally. Those cattle are dumped in a pit/rockpile/bluff off in the back 40. Did you ever think ranchers who have big problems with coyotes just might be creating their own problem.


I don't know about all of that, but I do agree, farmers that watch coyotes hang around without doing something are asking for trouble if they dont nip them in the butt. You have to dump dead stock somewhere, but then is a perfect oppurtunity to off 10-15 of them in a couple days. Boy on my farm, they wouldnt take calves more then once without something changing or happening to them. I just havent seen or heard of it often enough to worry or think about it.
Again I will say it. I will be out shooting coyotes. Always have and always will. Don't have anything against the bounty. Cant likely change it now anyway. At the same time, I have seen coyotes eat alot of almost anything. Usually already dead or close to it.
Maybe the ranchers down south just have livestock in really poor shape and thats why all of a sudden coyotes are taking down horses and cattle.
Take it with a grain of salt, but take it.
Somebody get some video footage of these coyote attacks and I will believe it then. :confused:

[dogcollar]

Truckin Moose, I have alot of respect for ranchers and land owners like yourself. you look for ways to fix something before it becomes a problem vs the "woe is me approach".

and for those guys who don't actively manage their operations there are lots of guys who will shoot the coyotes off your dead pile for you or help you manage it. That is usually the first question I ask ranchers who call me and request help. Where is the dead pile? and can I trap there or move it to a better location to sneak up on or trap from.

[f7nightfire]

you all should go out for a walk at night and listen to the coyotes and then tell me they are not overpopulated !!!!!! and truckin moose i have a witness to a coyote yesturday attacking horses ,just ask spikbuck. oh by the way what the heck it $ 20 nowadays but if someone who trapped and cared, should be posting a thread on buying up all the furs if you realy cared other that just bitching on this thread.

[PAPA BEAR]

Just remember guys, the ranchers would like to take care of the problem them selves, but U cant shoot at night when they are most active, because we have the wrong color skin...Sory this will affend some, but it is true..... They can't be just on coyote patrol cause they wouldn't get anything else done. Trust me if the governmnet would allow the cattlemen to have 1 person come in at night and set up with a spot light the problem may beable to be controled.

But, some of the fault is thiers allso, and I see it here, bone piles 200 yards from the fead lot, yes U the cattlemen are going to have a problem, 2 miles away isn't enough because when U drag them the sent is left all the way home.... when the feast is done at the pile, follow the sent..... that is where the next meal is.

Now they can't us strictnine any more since a cattleman was charged for poisening a bald eagle that fed on the cow carcass he set up for the coyotes, I believe it was in the Swift Curant area. So what are they to do????


Ask the Government for help. This is what they want, maybe not all of them but the guys around here are happy, some know there will be problems, but they have that now.....

[Kess]

I see this thread has become quite controversial and a lot of mixed feelings and emotions are being expressed. Everyone has the right to their own opinion but personally attacking another member or fellow farmers/ranchers, etc, is unnecessary to say the least! It is good to see people passionate and rev'd up about hunting and conserving our future for the younger generations but have some class when posting your comments.

It doesn't matter if you agree with the bounty or not, 99% of us are still going to shoot coyotes, skin, flesh, like we did previous years, and now we have one more step and 20 extra bucks. The bounty might even encourage some to put in a little extra effort this winter…..good on them.

As for the coyote problem with farmers/ranchers, deer, elk, moose, upland bird populations, we all agree that this is a major issue. Coyotes hunt in packs and when times get tough on cold Saskatchewan winter days/nights they go after low hanging fruit.......ranchers livestock, young or old, sick or healthy. This is instinct, not trained by ranchers. The gov't has recognized the problem and they are addressing it with the bounty, is it the answer, maybe……maybe not, but it is better than doing what we did previously which is nothing.

As for the "slobs?" out there, we may see an increase in guys driving around taking pop shots at coyotes for a couple weeks, maybe a month but when it gets -25 to -30 are they going to be out calling from a rock pile or edge of a coulee....... I think not. But I know I will be, along with many other true hunters on this site. It will be interesting to revisit this come Jan or Feb and see where we are then, hopefully we have piles of pics from awesome coyote hunts.

[truckin_moose]

I think I am fairly neutral here. Don't mean to upset anyone.
I am shooting coyotes and I dont care whether there is a bounty or not. Always have.
I am just saying I'm not sure they are as much of a problem as some people
say they are. Maybe in some areas they are getting so hungry they are chasing horses and full grown cattle. I don't know personally. But if they are, shoot em'.
Good luck and good day to all.

[PAPA BEAR]

I think I am fairly neutral here. Don't mean to upset anyone.
I am shooting coyotes and I dont care whether there is a bounty or not. Always have.
I am just saying I'm not sure they are as much of a problem as some people
say they are. Maybe in some areas they are getting so hungry they are chasing horses and full grown cattle. I don't know personally. But if they are, shoot em'.
Good luck and good day to all.

:thumbs_up:thumbs_up:thumbs_up:thumbs_up

[spikebuck]

ya its true wat f7 said the horses chased out of the fence and coyotes bitin at there heals. this is twice this fall its happened in my area never mind the cattle problems or deer problems we dont no about. the 20 bucks aint gonna make no one rich or make anyone go crazy for a coyote its just a little incentive to go bang a few a way. D oes anyone know wat furs are suppose to be worht this winter and yes a local fur buyer would be the patchins in porcupine plain if there still buyin give them a call i think its called red river furs. o ya chad u bounty hunter your more than welcome to pound a few out this way.lol coyotes that is. lol

[smokechecker]

I am quitting my job and going on POGEY for the first time in my life.

At the bar, chicks always ask "What do you do for a living"...now I can say "I am a Professonal Coyote Hunter/Ice fisherman, let me buy you gals a drink."

Does this mean your GF is up for grabs?????? SAAWEEET!!!!!!!!!!

[Kess]

Here is a link to NAFA 2010 forecast.

http://www.nafa.ca/trapper/Forecast/2010_WF_Forecast_2009-10-06.pdf

[SONGDOG.]

This thread has got some heat goin on... I've been following it from the start. All I have to say is $20 $5 or $0 I've been doggin it for some time now and yotes are by far my favorite animal to hunt. I never started huntin for money, I do it because I love shooting and the outdoors. The thrill of a yote comin full bore at me is worth more than any dollar, I get so pumped... dance around.. do a little jig every time i'm successful. I just can't get enough of yote huntin, as for the slob hunters out there, they are not going to profit from this bounty. They probably are shit shots and have no skill period, although they will piss alot of people off as always. Last words.. there is no price better than a pounding heart, heavy breathing and a good shot.
Good luck and Post your kills.......

[Bearhunter]

SWF doesn't like it..

link
http://www.leaderpost.com/technology/Saskatchewan+Coyote+Control+Program+catches+nature +wildlife+conservation+groups+guard/2220961/story.html

[PAPA BEAR]

I can see there point, they have to be carefull with this. And I agree, to a point. I am a SWF member, and have been for years..President of a small club for most of those years. One part I don't agree with is the amount they help with gopher control. The gophers are still out of controll, with the number of coyotes in the province. There is no gophers in the winter for them to eat, so they turn to other means of food sources....As in sheep, goats, calves in spring and othe week animals,ect, ect,. The easiest pickens, whereever , whenever.

They do however help clean up the sick and week wildlife also, which is a good thing. But they go to far.

We will never ever wipe out the coyote population in Saskatchewan, I tried to do that myself 30 years ago, ( just in our area) and I couldn't do it, the next year there were just as many..Controlling the numbers will help in the starvation of this bread...and the starvation of our farmers... I hope SWF doesn't take this to far, alot of our members are farmers / cattlemen, and i know alot of them, want the coyote population controlled... at least in our area, I can't speek for other areas. The cattlemen know there are going to be problems with hunters, Hello, what new, some have been problems from the first day they picked up a gun...

In Hunter Education all students are taught the ballancing of wildlife with habitat.. When the pot runs over with a certian animial, hunger and sickness falls into play... When the pot is kept at a constant level then all is better for every thing, and every one.... Right know the pot runs over in most of southern saskatchewan..

This probably isn't the best way to go about it, but it is in, and the government says they will rethink the idea after April 1st of 2010...